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deep rift between the musical direction. the pop band of brothers is splitting up for good and going their separate ways. have you missed an interview you want to check out go the brooke log at cnn.com. that's it for me. see you tomorrow. to washington we go. "the lead with jake tapper" starts right now. if president obama likes his current spying program can he keep his current spying program? i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." national lead. president's top intelligence men on capitol hill now facing questions about why the nsa is tapping the phones of some of our closest allies. what exactly the president knew about it. will the nsa have to put an end to it? national news, we heard this over and over. if you like your health plan you can keep your health plan. now thousands of americans are finding out that's not true. including our guest, former democratic congressional staffer that has been an enthusiastic proponent of obama care. she said things are changing and
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she doesn't know why. after six decades of funs and parodies, is "mad" magazine still hooking kids on satire? good afternoon. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. top intelligence official in the country and the director of the nsa are testifying on capitol hill as we speak. when pressed about report the nsa has been tapping the phones of foreign leaders, even allies, director of national intelligence, james clapper said that's long been par for the course plans and intentions of foreign leaders would be important for the united states to know. >> that's a hearty perennial as long as i have been in the -- intelligence business, 50 years, leadership intentions in whatever form that's expressed is kind of a basic tenant of what we aring to collect and analyze. >> the white house has long denied german media reports
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president obama was told in 2010 that the nsa was spying. tapping the phone of german chancellor angela americael and letting it go on. they press whether the white house would have been told foreign leaders were being tapped. >> would it, in fact, any value of that information find its way to at least the national security council in the white house? >> it certainly could. it may not have position specifically related to a specific selector or any specific collection target. what they would see, though, would be the output of this in its total dimension. >> i want to bring in chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. we just heard james clapper explain this discrepancy or at least intent to explain the discrepancy between intelligence officials saying the white house and the national security
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council had been briefed and saying president obama did not know that america i will's phone had been tapped. translate that for us whether he intended to or not clapper gave president obama some cover there. as he said, presidents read this kind of intelligence all the time. they are looking at the output. they may not necessarily know what the source of that output is. so it is plausible that the president might have read something that resulted from the contents of america i will's conversations without knowing that it came from listening in on one of her phone calls. and that's actually something that the administration had been telling tuesday last couple of days. clapper, to some extent, backing that up. >> also, jim, sa director general alexander suggest something of the reporting on the ms a has been, quote, completely false. pa what exactly was he talking about? >> they are talking about the reports the msa listened to 60 million phone calls, 70 million in france. he said that's the misreading of
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a single slide released by edward snowden and said a few things about it. one, not the nsa listening in on this call data. it was the nsa, the u.s. and all of its nato partners. the cold data had nothing do with the spanish and french but a collection of call data listen -- listen to it in a number of countries in support of military operations. he said it is completely false. one, this was the msa doing this and, two, it was european citizens, french, and spanish citizens that were being listened to. pretty aggressive knockdown of that story and some of the source of some of the greatest criticism from european side of nsa surveillance. >> jim, part of the white house pushback has been everybody does it. clapper also saying that foreign countries also spy on the u.s. so -- looking at that further, is it possible that the president's blackberry is being read by the germans or the
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british? >> i asked this of a former official yesterday. i was being -- he said, sure. they probably go after it. i don't know if they would have success. nsa has advantages. but one of the points that mike rogers made in this hearing, and clapper and alexander, in effect, everyone's hands are dirty. they say, yes, we are the target of foreign intelligence operations but also say that we go after not only our allies but -- the leaders of our allies. used the term leadership intentions are both a reasonable and acceptable and valuable target for american intelligence operations. and -- than falling under that umbrella may the phone calls of america i will and others. >> chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. thanks. congressman adam schiff of california sits on the house intelligence committee and stepped out of today's meeting to speak to us live from capitol hill. thanks for joining us. quickly, james clapper was also asked if our allies are guilty of the same sort of thing. here is what he said. >> do you believe that the
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allies have conducted or at any time, any type of espionage activity against the united states of america, intelligence services, leaders or otherwise? >> absolutely. >> do we know of any cases of this actually happening in recent years? >> well, i don't know that i can talk openly in terms of what we know about our foreign intelligence agencies and how they operate and target people in the united states? but i think it would be naive to presume that they are not very active in trying to collect on us even though we are allies. it does happen. at the same time, i have a concern about this potential wiretapping of our leaders, of our allied leaders, and the garage it is doing to our reputation and damage that it may do to the operation we immediate -- cooperation we need from them in pursuing terrorism cases. there is a real cost.
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the question is, is this justified? i think the president has indicated this is not consistent with our values and my guess is that while he may not say as an absolute, it won't happen again, there would have to be extraordinary circumstances to justify any kind of a tap on a foreign leader of an allied nation. >> the chair of the senate intelligence committee, democrat senator dianne feinstein, who has been a defender of the nsa, she says she is now totally opposed to spying on u.s.al ice and demanding review of all surveillance programs. do you think that's a good idea? >> absolutely. i raise this today with general clapper. i think there has to be a real discussion about the intelligence community's obligation under a -- national security act of 47 to inform congress of significant intelligence activities like these that have such tremendous blowback potential. i'm not confident in light of these recent allegations that we are getting those full briefings, we do know the full
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scope of what is going on overseas. we have a lot more visibility of what happens here at home. we all have more safeguards in domestic surveillance because we have the fiza court as well operating and that can be improved. we have lot less visibility overseas and plainly, that's going change in the intelligence committees and has to change. >> congressman, you sit on the house intelligence committee. how much have you learned from edward snowden as opposed to from u.s. government sources that should be briefing you and your fellow members of the intelligence commit i don't the nsa programs? >> you know, some of these programs i don't have all that much compassion for members of congress that -- protest to be taken aback or surprised. some of them need to do their homework better. on other things, most recent allegation is a very good example if this is true, it certain sly not something i was made aware of. i would be surprised if other members were made aware of. chairman and senator feinstein
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wasn't. these are precisely of the magnitude that should be disclosed to congress because if it became public, as it has been reported here, the policy imp implications are tremendous. congress should be, along with swift, weighing this is it worth the risk or are we gaining such great insights we can't gain other ways we should undertake these operations? we need a much better level of dialogue and discussion and oversight and there are going to be changes made for sure. >> that's one of the points, congressman. i think we always hear from the white house and nsa and director of national intelligence clapper. there is congressional oversight of the programs. oversight of the programs. public is represented because there's oversight by congress. you didn't know about this. >> part of it is what kind of disclosure are we getting? are we getting disclosure in the form we have high confidence? intelligence community comes to us and says we have high
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confidence if we extend our stay in afghanistan, we can count on the support of germany or france. not telling us why they have that confidence, confidence based on a wiretap, of one of the leaders, that's -- a very different story than informing us of that kind of selector program, key leader program. that, to me is not an informed consent or even an informed process. i will be interested to get to the bottom of what did they share with us and one last point i would make, i raised this with director clapper today. if the intelligence community was too concerned about the sensitive source of information that they couldn't share with the intelligence committee what does it say it was accessible to a low-level system analyst like snow general? that, i think, raises a profound question as well. >> congressman schiff, one last question for you. i they you are a loyal democrat and strong supporter of president obama. which is more disturbing to you? president obama knowing that
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merkel's phone was tapped and not being forthright or him not knowing? which isn't reassuring either. >> well, i mean, either way you have it, it is a problem for the united states. it is a problem for the president's relationship with the chancellor if this turns out to be accurate. there's no good answer because there is no good outcome here either way. that's part of the reason why i think we need a better disclosure if indeed between didn't get it here and we need to make sure that whenever there is the potential that this kind of blowback were notified and our programs at home and overseas as the president has said are consistent with our values. >> congressman adam schiff, democrat of california, thank you so much for your time. we appreciate it. >> thanks. >> coming up, is a democratic staffer defended obama care and even as voters screamed in her face, now she is the frustrated one. plus, he likes smart, nerdy stuff. one of his former top aides shows insight into what is on the president's ipad. what's he reading?
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welcome back. we are in chicago today. testifying on capitol hill today the administrator for the senators for medicare and medicaid services which rolled out the much maligned website for the affordable care act. she said we something we haven't heard from the obama administration. >> i want to apologize to you the website has not worked as well as it should. we know how desperately you need affordable coverage. >> but what about the people who want nothing to do with this website? because they already have insurance they are happy with. she continued to say americans can keep plans they like and republicans hammered her for it. >> i am aware that there are issuers are canceling their old plans and -- >> what you said about keeping your health care plan isn't true? >> no. they can keep it.
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>> no, they can't. they just got cancellation notices. why are you saying you can? i don't understand. >> all right. time has expired. >> that point about keeping your health care plan, that's an important one. how many times did we hear this from the president? >> if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. period. if you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. period. >> but that was never the whole story. it was simply not credible that the obama administration and congress would make a number of sweeping changes to health insurance and everyone would still get to keep their health care plan and their doctor. back in 2010 the obama administration vaguely acknowledged this by noting the high rate of turnover when it came to the 14 million individuals who have private insurance as opposed to group plans. tucked in the federal register, the obama administration noted the normal turnover rate for individual insurance is up to
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67%. because of changes mandated to plans by obama care, turnover would likely exceed that range. we haven't even mentioned the employers who are pushing workers off their plans and on to the obama care exchange because it is cheaper. this doesn't sound like if you like your plan, keep your plan. in fact, back in 2009, the young white house correspondent challenged the president on that issue. some may have resulted in folks being force flood new plans against their wishes. >> what about keeping your promise to the american people they swroen to change plans even if employers -- >> when i say if you have your plan and you like it and your doctor has a plan or you have a doctor and you like your dock, then you don't have to change plans, what i'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform. >> oh, that's the key. the government is not going to
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make you change plans through health reform. the government might impose a situation that would cause a change of plans for you. the promise was never quite as presented. yet, the president kept presenting it that way. as i said, i'm in chicago today. i spoke with sue klinkhammer. she defended obama care to her constituents. his constituents. but then he was defeated for re-election, at fleas part because of his support for obama care. she was forced to get own insurance plan. she got a letter from her insurance provider a few weeks ago. you got this letter. >> i got this letter that said, this is -- review of your current coverage. i have a blue advantage with a monthly premium of $254.88. of the date of the letter. please note that coverage of your current plan will end december 31, 2013. then here -- then give me my plan options. >> basically, what are the?
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>> the first one is a silver option which is most similar in benefits to what you have to date. the monthly premium for the member named above, which is me, single person, $647.12. >> wow. >> may other option is a blue choice bronze which is most similar in price to what i have to date but higher. you know. $254 and that monthly premium would be $322.32. >> why not take the bronze? >> first of all, it is a higher price but my deductible will go from $3500 to $6500. >> some people would say -- supporters of obama care would say you are going to get better plans. this is what -- this is what obama care does. it requires you have coverage you didn't have before. >> right. i'm a supporter of obama care.
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you know. and -- this looks a -- was part of my issue. i did tell everybody it would be better. and i understand that all of these health essentials now being covered. but some of those had also been covered in the past couple of years. you know. like mammograms and physicals and things like that. i still don't understand why even if all those are covered, why my premiums is going up $350. >> you are not eligible for subsidies? >> i'm not eligible for subsidy. what really bothered me -- i know there are talking points on both sides. this morning, congressman from north carolina, democratic congressman to defend and said, well, but the policies the people had that are being eliminated were junk policies. and that -- that -- it wasn't a junk policy. it was a good policy. it was in my price range. it gave me what i wanted. it certainly wasn't a cadillac plan. but, you know, it had a good
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deductible and good people up yum. you know, and, again, for people in the open market -- >> you can go to an exchange and shop around and find something better, right? >> well, there was a second part of my problem was i went on october 1. i went on the website. now, i did -- was able to register. i was able to get through the registration part. but that in illinois, they didn't have their premiums up. they said they would send me a letter with my options. and then -- the head of get covered illinois reached out to me after i sent to the letter to a mutual friend. so i was able to browse the prices. you are able to browse the prices but you have to go to the careen website to see what the plans are. i'm assuming with blue cross, there were a couple of companies that were completely out of range. they were, you know, for like $400 range. >> do you regret -- you worked
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for a democratic congressman who probably, one of the reasons he wasn't realected was because of his support for the affordable care act. do you regret working for him and pushing back when constituents complained? >> no. i believe in -- i believe in the health care for all theory. i'm glad to see the people who couldn't get health care. that was the pre-existing condition. that was a hard -- >> you are a middle-class american and you are -- your premiums are going up. >> my premiums are going way up. i just want -- i have a lot of now conservative republican friends who are calling me and saying, here's the ironic thing. i'm going to benefit from obama care. i'm glad they are. but i just thought that maybe all of them would be put in a pool with me instead of the pool expanding where all the healthy people, you know, kind of went into a higher premium pool. because then to me it is not
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mattress price wars ends soon at sleep train. ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ welcome back to "the lead." tom coburn reportedly said this. today cnn asked coburn about it. he refused comment. reid's office fired back. nothing says comity like childish playground. when asked if he intended to talk to his frenemy, coburn said he would. charles krauthammer, he
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dedicated an entire column to defending the "f world trade center word as when dick cheney decided to lay it on senator lahey. it is all in his new book, "things that matter." charles krauthammer joins me now. charles, thanks so much for being here. one of the reasons you were a supporter of the "f" word -- >> it gave me the opportunity to, as they say, extend my remarks on it and to -- was -- essentially on the forms of the "f" word. the two-worder and three-worder. i went into a long explanation of how they ought to be used. it is interesting you start the discussion off on that. it is may favorite column in the book. i wanted to start the book with it. but the folks over at crown books sort of rose up and said they would have me committed if i started the book with that.
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>> you started the book with just absolutely lovely tribute to cole bum your older brother who passed. i want to get to the book in a second. i would love your reaction to some of today's news. given this rare opportunity to have you on the show. you have called the issues with the obama care website a, quote, practical reality check on president obama's ambitions. what do you mean by that? >> i mean the -- the centerpiece of the liberal enterprise as portrayed by obama, he is a very ideologically ambitious president. and he sees himself as sort of the anti-ronald reagan. beginning a new kind of liberalism and adding, you know, the most important element of social democratic governance which is health care. and that has been his objective. this would be his legacy. if he can't get the thing to work, and it collapses, i think it will jeopardize liberal enterprise, expansion of the
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welfare state for a generation to come. what we heard today, the interview that you just had, with that lady in chicago, is even worse. it isn't just technical issues. it is the fact that the government, as we heard, mass decided if you have your insurance and you like it, the government will decide that it is junk. the government will decide you have no idea how to decide on your own what you ought to do. a kind of crushing paternalism which i think is quite shocking and it is a symbol of this entire enterprise. again, if that -- if people rebel against that, they are upset of the breaking of the promise on the paternalistic imposition, that could really undermine the liberal enterprise. >> charles, what are you saying to democrats who pushed back and say at least obama's trying to do something about the tens of millions of uninsured and trying to improve care? the republican party hasn't
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really done anything along those lines. >> the problem with what obama did is that he had a discreet problem. the underinsured and uninsured. i believe a decent society ought to look after them and find a way to do it. but instead of discreetly attacking that problem, what he decided to do is to take advantage of that and to completely remake one-sixth of the american economy. there is no reason whatsoever that the woman you interviewed in chicago would have to lose her insurance and change her plan because some experts in washington have decided that there is a better way and what she decided when you are trying to insure the uninsured. it is an example of liberal overreach. instead of devil raysing a problem discreetly, narrowly, they decided to review one-sixth of the economy that's what you are getting the pushback, generally from american people and specifically from
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conservatives whose warrant against this -- for 4 1/2 years. >> let's turn to your book which is a collection of articles and essays you published throughout your career and early days. believe it or not, for some viewers, the new republic, and then -- on to the "time" magazine and "washington post," you coined the term -- maybe a decade ago about -- called bush derangement syndrome. your psychiatrist. acute onset of pair now yeah and otherwise normal people and rae action to the policies. the presidency. name the existence of george w. bush, he said. there is, without it seem to me, an obama derangement syndrome as well. do you think that one is any more acute than the other? have you been to be able diagnose more cases the other? >> well, to start, it was largely tongue-in-cheek giving it a serious diagnosis. as you know, when you try ironing in general, the iron is missed. i actually had a phrase. it came from howard dean and i
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write about it in the column. howard dean had been on a show and said that he was a little bit unsure as to whether bush had known about 9/11 in advance which is weird. and dean is a serious guy. so i had a phrase in there that said that dean was a little bit troubling to epidemiologists because dean was the first example of such a syndrome happening in the very state. now, because he's -- from vermont. that was obviously a clue that this was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. but on the serious issue, which is that there were people who were so opposed to anything that bush had done, yes, it applies to obama. yes, it applied to reagan. and i think it applied -- generally speaking to most presidents. and there are people who will not accept anything that a president has done. i thought it was rather acute when the -- in the bush years because especially because of
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the wars, and because of the expansion of the state which really handled a lot of conservatives. i think the general issue is a president is always a target and oftentimes the target is overused and overabused. >> it is a great book of some of your most provocative and interesting essays. one final question. in 1994 you wrote a column about how voters loathe politicians. i'm wondering now if almost 20 years after you wrote that column if you think things are the same, better, or worse. >> i think that the things are worse. the government -- the people are more divided ideologically and part of the reason i wrote the book and part of the reason i included a lot of the politics and original lynn tended writing about the wonderful elegant and beautiful things in life, poetry and music, all the columns on
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that. but in the end you have to get the politics right. even though we despise and often despair about the state of the practice of politics and don't like the congress, and don't like the process, in the end you have to get the politics right because if you don't, all the other things, things that matter will be swept away. that's why we have to include in our own -- life, staying involved in politics. even though it is a rather gruby occupation. it is homage toful particulars and all of its checkered elements. >> all right. the book is called "things that matter." charles krauthammer, thank you so much. congratulation and best of luck to the book. >> thank you very much. lets schek in with our political panel until the greenroom. jim wheeler is apologizing after
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he said he would hold his nose and reinstitute slavery if that's what his constituents really wanted. >> i think maybe he should do less holding of his nose and more holding of his tongue. you know, obviously this is a very stupid thing. i'm glad ryan, the governor of nevada, has condemned it strongly. >> stick around. more of "the lead" coming up. no matter how busy your morning you can always do something better for yourself. and better is so easy with benefiber. fiber that's taste-free, grit-free and dissolves completely. so you can feel free to add it to anything. and feel better about doing it. better it with benefiber.
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welcome back to "the lead." read my good articles lately, mr. president? former national security council spokesman tommy gave us insight into his old boss' reading habits in an interview for buzzfeed.com. >> he reads ezra. all he is people that are -- young up and comers. >> you have to wonder if the president had a chance to jonathon's latest piece this morning titled "if you like your plan you can keep it, well, not exactly." the piece corrects the presid t
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president. >> what is absolutely true is that if you had a plan before the affordable care agent you liked on the individual market and your insurance company didn't take that away from you and offer you instead something else that you didn't purchase but provided you the same plan this same time, you can keep it. that's true. >> let's bring in the panel. political commentator and republican strategist ann navaro. susan page and columnist for "the washington post," dana mill bank. dana, what we just heard, mr. carney say, doesn't quite fit into a bumper sticker. >> no. i think even into a tweet. it would take a bit of effort to get that out each time. that was the problem. so the president used shorthand earlier and now is going to be paying the price for it. you know, it could have explained, look, under the existing system, people lose their health care plan all the time. now this president and the
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democrats own everything about health care and anything bad that happens to anybody anywhere at any hospital in this country is now going to be blamed on obama care. >> fred upton of michigan is introduce to keep your health plan act to push back on this. it would allow any insurance plans that weren't in effect on january 2013 to continue in 2014. this has no chance of making it through the senate, does it? do you think this could become a law? >> you know, very little right now can become a law given the environment in washington. but i think you are going to see a lot of backlash from the public. from the american people calling their congressmen and senators and calling the white house angry at this. you have a lot of people -- lot of individuals like the woman you just interviewed, like our colleague, david fromme, who tweeted yesterday about his plan being canceled the other day. when the media starts getting their plans canceled you are
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going hear about it a lot. >> susan, i think one of the issues here is that there was, as daning a suggested, a simplicity how these things were explained. as dana says, i think dana said this to me weeks ago, people get dumped from their health care plans all the time. insurance companies cancel plans all the time. rate of turnover for individual plans is somewhere between 40 and 67% every year anyway. but there were promises made in selling this bill that the -- president is having trouble keeping a straight face when explaining were they didn't come to fruition. >> that's true. it has been damaging to the perception of obama care. we continue to have a situation where most americans say it was a bad idea to pass this through 3 1/2 years after it was sign flood law. i think we are about to get to the point where realty will begin to matter so that if they get the website up and running by the end of november which they promise to do, promise repeated on capitol hill today, and if it works so people can go
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on and see their options and see what their subsidy is, and it provides them with health care that they can afford, none of this is going to matter. it is going to be fine. people will support obama care. but if it doesn't work and don't have the website up and running by november 30, the perception of obama care was a mistake gets set and becomes very serious business. >> you only have one chance to make a first impression in life. the first impression of obama care is not a good one. what susan said may be true but there is a lot of ifs in the sentence that susan articulated. if, if, if, if all those things happen, but in the meantime, for the next two months, you are going to hear stories of american people very angry with what's happening, whether it is the web cited or cancellation of plans, or losing jobs or being turned into part-time workers, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. >> senator lindsey graham tweeted something. i want to get a quick reaction from dana on.
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he wrote, where are the benghazi survivors? i'm going to block every moymt in the u.s. senate until they are made available to congress. dana, do you think that's actually possible? is he going to really be able to block every appointment until benghazi survivors testify? >> well, look. lindsey graham has to say that because lindsey graham is going to face a primary challenge on the right and has already seen as caving on the deal on the debt limit. he has to get right with his base in south carolina. i don't think it has lot do with benghazi. >> i don't agree with this at all. this is a man that reached across the aisle and done things like go against the government shutdown, work order immigration. he has shown no political courage. i think he is frustrated with benghazi and he should be. >> that's music in your ear as if you are accepting an oscar, accepting an oscar. thank you for coming in. when we come back, if the government handed you $53
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billion you would probably do what they wanted you to with that money. why one automaker is saying bailout of death. bottomless mimosas were a dream for young bankners manhattan. all that about to change as goldman sachs reconsiders what is a weekend.
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some money leads. during the 2009 bailout the pontiac car line was set to sleep ander with now hearing it was the practical government who put out the hit. according to the former vice chair of general motors killing pontiac was the only way the company could get federal bailout money. without that money the company could have gone under for good. former head honcho bob lutz says he wanted to keep pontiac alive because the company was getting ready to launch models. the obama administration denied a role of guiding decisions of executives frpgs goldman sachs announce ad new policy for workers at the bottom of the wall street food chain. junior bankers now get to take the weekends off.
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that may not sound like a big deal to most of us but these entry level employees are known for clocking as many as 100 hours a week. goldman sachs is discouraging long marathon work weeks as a way not only to keep good employees around but to keep them from burning out before they turn 30. it turns out not everybody is working for the weekend, after all. the '80s rock group lover boy could not be reached for comment. coming up, the original source for all things weird, stupid and dumb before the daily show or "snl," there was "mad" magazine. a look back a at some of the best moments of satire from that magazine. max and penny kept our bookstore
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welcome back to "the lead." it is time for the pop culture lead. i was in first grade when i bought my first copy of "mad" magazine. 50 cents. i read it million the cover came off. today the usually gang of idiots is still cranking out the same self-departmentry indicating and in-your-face humor that got me hooked all those years ago. they are celebrating for than 50 years of getting all of us to question the powers that be with a new anthology featuring insight frsz some of the biggest celebrity fans.
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>> kiss the fonz for a buck. that's a bargain at my price. >> the fonz from "happy days" was the coolest guy around. for me at 7, seeing fonz mocked on the cover of "mad" magazine, that was something of a revelation. number 187 was my first issue. the satire, of course, continued, this is issue number 523. president obama's on the cover. being mocked for the nsa spy scandal. for 61 years, "mad" magazine. >> as you get older you realize that basically everybody has an agenda and everybody is lying to you. "mad" doesn't make up anything. we sort of look at what's going on in society and say, isn't this kind of weird or stupid or dumb? >> now longtime editor john facara tapped the usual zbang of idiots for inside mad. a book that highlights the
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magazine's far reaching influence into the people who create today's pop culture. >> i reached out and was overwhelmed by the amount of people who were -- very eager to write for the magazine. and tell about what it was like when they were reading it growing up and what it was like to see themselves parodied in the magazine. >> as art explained in this new yorker comic mad magazine was more important than pot and lsd in shaping the generation that protested the vietnam war. the message, everyone is lying to you. a radical one for a child to learn and even if you have never read an issue, you likely heard of those who have used "mad" as news. >> tonight's top story is -- >> crack. >> ever parodied by man. the editors obliged. ken burns moan for his heavy documentaries but credits the publication for teaching him how to spot fraud.
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♪ he wrote in to say he has been a fan even longer than i have. but to keep new generations of fans laughing and subscribing, the magazine has had to try to grow with them. >> what do you have to do to piss somebody off? politicians especially have gotten very smart at trying to co-op satirists. they will do things that will make them part of the joke. it has gotten much, much harder to spoof people as a result of that. >> "mad" dabbleed in television twice. attempted an ill-fated film called "up the academy." it is in the only harder to spoof people but harder to hold the attention of an increasingly distracted audience. >> much more visually driven with bullet-pointed jokes than a long, elaborate parody that could be brilliant but would probably lose a lot of the
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readers early on. >> they decided to keep it short and start a blog. >> now, this really makes its comedy first responders and can get there very quickly and make fun of people. which is our basic mission in life. >> the hope is the jokes aren't just funny but informative. >> that's it for "the lead." i turn you over to wolf blitzer. he is in "the situation room." mr. blitzer. >> jake, thank you. happening now, lawmakers grilled the nation's spy chiefs about the tapping of the phone calls of americans and top u.s. allies. is the ing out of control? i will ask the house intelligence committee chair. congress gets the first public apology for the obama care website mess. with the president apologize for promising if you like your current health care plan you can keep it. millions of people now are finding out that's not necessarily true. senator lindsey graham gram joins thus hour as well. he is vowing to block all of the president's appointments until

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